Pretend for a moment that you’re Bob Cesca, a lefty pundit with his very own blog and a little perch at HuffPo as well.
You wake up one morning and you feel that need to write something.
Let’s see:
So you could either write about that, because surely you have some lefty blogger friends who are higher up the food chain than you are … maybe some of them would pay attention to that? Maybe even someone on the secretive JournoList! You know, so maybe you could contribute to the world in a constructive way.
Cuz, you know, it matters whether the economy is saved. And your party and your pals run it, right now.
So you could write about that or you could do an infantile post about the Tea Party movement.
Take your pick.
You know it’s quite funny, but I am not anti-capitalist. In fact I am a managing partner of a pretty large privately held company. I have no issues with paying taxes, I like smooth roads, snow plowed roads, a well staffed police department, nice parks to take my kids too, good public schools etc… I guess it is a matter of understanding there are certain things that shouldn’t be privatized and that when a business hires someone they get a tax break in the form of a write off and in most cases that employee they hired generates a certain desired percentage of profit and that tax breaks are not the reason a company hires people, they hire based on need.
Now I can see from the comments made here that a civil discussion is above your pay grade, but I do understand it is obviously a genetic defect.
What I see here are not those “patriots” that you seem to think you emulate but a bunch of disjointed ultra rightist perpetually duped republican voters who are have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of not only business but of the true tenets of our country.
A group of people so caught up in their fantasy world of thinking they are the next Sam Adams, yet couldn’t hold a candle to him, but don’t get it that he saw the corporate tax break as the most vile form of government that represented those in the top 5% yet gave them everything and the other 95% who got nothing yet paid a higher percentage.
Keep up the good work supporting the very corporations that spent more than a decade systematically scheming to evade U.S. and international regulators, or that one of the causes of its “pneumonia” was making colossal, world-sinking $500 billion bets with money it didn’t have, in a toxic and completely unregulated derivatives market. When those you most support got up from its seat at the Wall Street casino, broke and busted in the afterdawn light, it owed money all over town — and that a huge chunk of your taxpayer dollars in this particular bailout scam from the Bush/Paulson crew will be going to pay off the other high rollers at its table. Or that this was a casino unique among all casinos, one where middle-class taxpayers cover the bets of billionaires.
Oh, and two other things.
I have personally declared war on all Timmys. That would include the Tax Cheat/Treasury Secretary Timmy and the mental patient/part time Governor of Virginia/part time head of the DNC Timmy. Timmys suck.
Secondly, CT Tea Party dude, please just extract the quotes from HuffPo and like sites, display their idiocy and give the proper attribution, but don’t give a link to them otherwise people go there and HuffPo gets PAID for the web hit. Just give the appropriate attribution and leave it at that. If people really want to read it, they can go out there themselves. Please don’t reward their bad behavior with $$$.
Troll Alert! Timmy, are you being paid directly by the Obama Administration to infiltrate the comments section of this movement or are you just a freelance drone?
Come on. Tell us.
Your entry is so filled with anti-corporate, anti-capitalist rhetoric that you can’t be taken seriously.
You really need to work on your skill set so that you can subtly undermine the movement, you know, maybe inject a fact or two to establish credibility, then sneak in your propaganda, sort of like Obama did to fool the American people into voting for him.
If you know anything at all about small business, they’re mostly subchapter S, which means that their business income and personal income are one and the same. You know, like the plumber who comes every other week to unclog your toilet who has been suggesting that you change your diet of Doritos and Red Bull, maybe get a little exercise, and to call another plumber.
He’s getting screwed by Obama and has also seen more than a lifetime full of your crap.
Go back to HuffPo and never return, Troll, or I shall contact the management and ask that you be banned. We’re patriots here and any idiot who thinks that we’re on the right fiscal track in this country either doesn’t have a job or doesn’t have a clue.
Actually the protests in 1773 were a response to the lowering of taxes for the largest corporation. There is a reason why 50% of Americans pay no income taxes, because they don’t make enough money in the serviced based economy we have become, those in the “middle class” that do pay taxes pay them at a higher rate than those in the top 5% of income.
We currently are seeing a lowering of the tax rate for the middle class and yet we see protests forming against it, that is not easily understood. This tax plan is an excellent stimulus for small business, after all it is small business that creates the most jobs far more than the large corporate entities and very obviously far more than the wall street banks and firms that organizations like this one throw their support to.
I would bet that most on board here work very hard and earn a middle class income and yet they are protesting their own tax break…go figure.
Oh and here’s a real simple question to ask Bob:
“Do you believe that one of the main events that helped spark the American Revolution was caused because Americans-to-be were so darn fed up with Britain’s lowering of taxes?”
We’re they chanting: “You evil bastards! Stop lowering our taxes!!”
Bob you’re a dope.
Oh and Bob Cesca: sorry we conservatives can’t all be professional protesters and have the same hippie lineage as “progressives.” Maybe many of us are too busy trying to make a living… often as the people practicing effective capitalism: you know, making stuff, marketing it, selling it…
By the way, the linkable name in my post above has a mangled link (email and website mangled up). Site = http://www.BigGuv.com — and if there are any like-minded folks on Twitter I’d like to follow you: http://www.twitter.com/bigguv
Its obvious we have gotten some attention by the lamestream media and they are seriously worried that we just might succeed.
Why else would they rant and demonize this movement? Populists groundswell movements like ours have them losing sleep, especially since they didnt think of it first.
They know “movement momentum” when they see it and you can bet this one has them rattled and worried big time.
The liberal press does one thing and only one thing well, personal attacks. Its all they have to fall back on whenever they feel threatened. And trust me, we are a real honest to God threat to them because we believe in GOD and if GOD is on our side who can be against us? Prepare for more character attacks and watch GOD BLESS AMERICA.
BTW, if you click my name in the first post above it may scare you (it’s mangling an email address with a website protocol). Try this one instead: http://bigguv.com
Tea Baggers fight BS like this with facts. Arm yourself with knowledge:
After Britain raised taxes on stamps and tea on the Colonists there was much backlash and the colonists insisted “No Taxation Without Representation!”
So how could British Parliament get Americans to ignore their principled stand and accept taxes - if at first just by a little bit? Why, by trying to appeal to their indulgences:
“Parliament reduced the duty the colonies would have to pay for the imported tea. The Americans would now get their tea at a cheaper price than ever before. However, if the colonies paid the duty tax on the imported tea they would be acknowledging Parliament’s right to tax them. Tea was a staple of colonial life - it was assumed that the colonists would rather pay the tax than deny themselves the pleasure of a cup of tea. ”
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/teaparty.htm
Conservatives sticking to their principled stand of “no taxation without representation?” Sounds quite honorable actually.
And a large government trying to get their foot in the door with a small tax for the purpose of reigning heavy taxes and other burdens on the people?
Sound like any body of government or political party?
Sounds to me EXACTLY like just one (of many potential) items Cesca mentions: “tax cuts for the middle class!”
First it’s not a tax CUT if its NEW SPENDING. If you pay no taxes (as nearly 50% of Americans do not) its really writing people a check for being unproductive. Marxist redistribution of wealth. (And the current system, even with Bush’s cuts are highly progressive… and very productive and profitable!)
“And that’s no new taxes for families making less than $250k/yr. Isnt that swell?! Oh I meant to say $200k yr. Oh its actually $170/k a year. Oh and halve that if your single.
Oh and all you cigarette smokers, most of whom make less than that, here’s a hefty new cigarette tax you’ll be paying every day.
And yeah, you see there is this carbon tax for every American: every time you turn on a light it will cost you more because we’ve required many billions of new costs for energy production.
Oh and whether you are healthy or sick you have to pay for the costs of the sick. Socialized, tax-funded medicine you see. Have to spread those costs around. The top 5% won’t be enough…
But we’re looking out for the little guy! Honestly we are!”
Sound familiar?
The librals are posting now trying so desparately to sound like they have brains, It wont work you morans, You cant stop our movement we are not loosers like you. We will take our country back and throw all of you out you will not take our freedom of speach away from us. We know who you are your a bunch of mccarthy loving commys who want our money and our guns praise jesus that you will not ever be in hevan get some brains and jobs and stay out of the churches that are ours.
Having served six years in the Marine Corp and the last 15 years as the founding partner of a very successful small business. I did not live beyond my means, I did not take out a home equity line of credit, I have very little, under $2500,00 in credit card debt.
I do know that when applying for a loan from a bank that there is a reasonable expectation that the lender has done its due diligence and done some basic “research” such as a debt to income ratio. That is most basic in loan approval. The banks failed to do that.
They wrote loans that they didn’t care if the borrower paid back, and why? Because they sold them to Wall street firms to be bundled as securities. This was a very dangerous game these banks played and it was a game played with peoples homes.
In the days of 2003 - 2006 when banks were basically giving loans to anyone without doing any checks or in quite a few cases falsifying loan documents they never once took into account or maybe just didn’t care that when these loan rates adjusted the house of cards would come tumbling down. I mean a high school kid could see that, it was really basic.
Now somehow in this country there has been a very serious, almost sinister, vilifying of the average citizen. It comes out everyday. People just don’t help each other anymore, it has become just a bunch of selfish and pretentious people who lack simple compassion for their neighbors.
And now, I see a whole movement that is designed to go after those in our country in financial distress, I just don’t understand it. It clashes violently with the values I was brought up with and with the basic values of our nation and by far the basic values of the founding fathers, who in their time were noted for helping their neighbors in distress that they even went so far to place their lives on the line for them. Unfortunately your movement is not within their system of values, it is truly a shining example of just how morally bankrupt we have become as a people.
I’ve read the various websites of this movement, on them I find not only huge inconsistencies but total misinterpretations of history. It is built on a stunningly superficial knowledge of both history and the current economic crisis.
if you read the comments section of that post you’ll find many supporting tea parties.
Could it be that common sense (aka tea parties) is bi-partisan?